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MB76

Why is MF navigating through PRIVATE streets?

from: 49.710962, 8.617909

to: 49.724650, 8.637594

https://ibb.co/k9cVX8f
https://ibb.co/7WMg2sp

tomas

because your departure is in restricted area

in such case restricted roads are used until unrestricted link is reached

otherwise route would not be found

MB76

No, the DESTINATION is in a restricted area ("to: 49.724650, 8.637594")

MB76

In my case it was an waypoint. But its the same, when I use it as destination:

https://ibb.co/CbBPMnP

tomas

sorry, destination, but the same rule applies

MB76

No, I dont think so. Because in some (other) cases a voice saiys "the destination is in a non-reachable area" (german, dont know if this is the right translation). But it is stupid to navigate to a destination that is not reachable WITHOUT a warning (by car! bike, walk is OK). In my opinion its a nogo for a navigation-app

Oldie

I find, that Navigator is not very reliable, when using some restricted areas. So I found, that it did not find a route in an area in Dresden, which had just the OSM tag "destination". Yesterday it did not start calculate a route at all from a private ground, also not from the nearest public road.

MB76

OK, "nice" to hear that I'm not alone with my problem... Its frustrating when you plan a trip with car and then recognize that there is no change to reach the destination (like planed)

Oldie

There is some chance (you do not mean change? ;) ), if you put start or destination somewhere near to an abvious public route and drive the rest like using the app like a map :-S

MB76

Yes, CHANCE (Deutscher der schlecht englisch spricht).
But how to recognize a abvious public route in MF? If I already know, that the destination is in an private ground, than I dont plan a car-trip to this. So somebody has to tell me, that its private. MF does not (thumbs down)

tomas

you are warned when you set waypoint in restricted area, may be you missed that

MB76

OK, you mean the two second-mini-popup? Not a good solution! I think it needs a Dialog that you have to confirm with OK

MB76

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Oldie

I did not notice any warning, also not a short warning. It took me four or five tries to get this route:

https://nextcloud.schwarzanwalt.net/index.php/s/ox8KYimn5DY9yCZ

If I set start between the buildings nearby, nothing happens.

https://nextcloud.schwarzanwalt.net/index.php/s/k6xPXFT483kG7bi

Tools, calculate route returns no route found.

https://nextcloud.schwarzanwalt.net/index.php/s/dDdA99ycEXSaTpg

Just that, no warning, no calculating from the next available road.

MB76

in any case, its more then "suboptimal" and in some cases frustrating ;(

tomas

@Oldie

no problem with TomTom maps

MB76

That depends on the MAP? I think its not a MAP-"problem". In my case, a "real dialog" with an OK-button would be the solution (instead of a mini-2-second-popup)

chattiewoman

Does it mean that TomTom maps treat all private roads like public roads...?

tomas

no, that is not what that means

Oldie

What else is the reason, that tomtom map can do, what OSM maps cannot? Eventually tomtom maps are not as accurate als OSM maps are :D and treet some private roads as public ones?

tomas

TomTom js much more consistent as far as navigation goes

it may be that map coverage is better in OSM for some regions, but that does not mean better navigational attributes

Oldie

I doubt this. At least for Europe with its very active OSM community.

https://nextcloud.schwarzanwalt.net/index.php/s/PABwbSEBaQ8qMJk

http://www.mdpi.com/1999-5903/4/1/1/pdf

This is 8 years old. And you may compare the sheer size of OSM data then and now..

tomas

sorry Oldie, but this has nothing to do with consistency of navigational attributes

Oldie

Of course it has. One focus of a.m. study was car navigation (page 17):

"Specifically, we considered the expansion of the total street network and the route network for car navigation."

tomas

OK, if you think so

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